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+From: jca@wxcvbn.org (=?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A9r=C3=A9mie_Courr=C3=A8ges-Anglas?=)
+To: Vasil Zlatanov <vasil.zlatanov@gmail.com>
+Subject: Re: [RP] Small Update rpws
+References: <20131230232733.GA17881@gmail.com>
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+Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:02:01 +0100
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+Vasil Zlatanov <vasil.zlatanov@gmail.com> writes:
+
+> The "man" command produced the same output as the "perldoc" command which
+> requires a package to be installed.
+
+Yes, your rpws manpage is probably generated at build time on your
+OS.  The ratpoison package doesn't attempt to format nor install it.
+
+> rpwsm$i is not documented anywhere, as is the variable wspl. The user
+> would have to spend consirable time looking athe the source code of the
+> rpws script to identify them.
+
+Agreed, that's a good reason to add a "current" rpws command and leave
+wspl as an implementation detail.  Regarding rpwsm$i what I understood
+From=20your mail is that people couldn't find the appropriate keybinding,
+but it seems you care more about the aliases names.
+
+> rpws{n,p} is briefly mentioned I don't know what's weird.
+
+I was talking about rpwsm{n,p}.
+                        ^
+
+> Who in their sane minds would use 3 modifiers in combination with an
+> F# key to move a window to another workspace. That's just retarded and
+> badly designed.
+
+I agree that C-M-F$i *looks* more usable, but it isn't, really.  Here on
+OpenBSD Ctrl + Alt + F1 drops me to my first virtual console.  I believe
+that any sane Unix-like OS with virtual consoles will behave so.  If
+your OS is special you can take advantage of C-M-F$i in your rpws copy
+but this will not be committed.
+
+> This is the sole reason people are looking to change
+> that binding. When they read the manpage to figure out how to do that,
+> they find out that the "rpwsm#" is nowhere to be found.
+> That's why the man page should is updated to reflect on
+> the change. (2 modifiers is bad enough + we don't have to remove the
+> old bindings)
+
+So to sum up:
+=2D about C-M-F$i: nope.
+=2D documenting rpwsm$i aliases is a good thing, but then I don't find
+  a good reason not to document rpwsm{n,p} too.  Do you volunteer for
+  this small additional work?
+=2D rpws "current" would be nice to have
+=2D splitting your changes in several commits would be nicer to keep track
+  of changes.  You have no idea how annoying it is to read git log and
+  find monster commits that deal with unrelated stuff - Shawn
+  (ratpoison's main author) was really good at this. ;)
+  git makes it so much easier than many other scms, it would be a shame
+  not to take advantage of this.  Please also use a short description
+  for the subject of the commit (< 60 chars), and add a more detailed
+  explanation later if needed, separated from the subject by an empty
+  line.
+
+Thanks for your interest in improving rpws.
+
+Regards,
+
+> On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 04:35:45PM +0100, J=C3=A9r=C3=A9mie Courr=C3=A8ge=
+s-Anglas wrote:
+>>=20
+>> Hi,
+>>=20
+>> Vasil Zlatanov <vasil.zlatanov@gmail.com> writes:
+>>=20
+>> > I've been asked a few times on IRC about a command to move the current
+>> > window to a selected workspace, which is undocemented for some reason.
+>>=20
+>> I think it is documented:
+>>=20
+>>         This creates 6 aliases rpws1, rpws2, etc. It also binds the keys=
+ M-F1,
+>>         M-F2, etc to each rpwsN alias. Moreover, rpwsn (Next) and rpwsp =
+(Prev)
+>>         are created, and C-M-{Right,Left} are bound to rpws{n,p}. Full l=
+ist of
+>>         keybindings created are:
+>>=20
+>>             M-F$i           Goto workspace $i
+>>             C-M-Right       Goto Next workspace
+>>             C-M-Left        Goto Prev workspace
+>>             C-M-S-F$i       Move window to workspace $i
+>>             C-M-greater     Move current window to next workspace
+>>             C-M-less        Move current window to prev workspace
+>>=20
+>> So did those users actually read ''perldoc rpws''?  Because I think
+>> that's the problem at stake here.
+>>=20
+>> Also:
+>> - adding a wordy description for rpwsm$i without doing the same for
+>>   rpwsm[np] looks weird to me.
+>> - replacing the default keybindings is an unrelated change and means
+>>   that users used to C-M-S-F$i will have to change their habits or
+>>   modify rpws/their config.  This is not desirable, IMHO.
+>>=20
+>> > Addionaly I added an option that prints the current workspace which
+>> > would be usefull for conky like configs.
+>>=20
+>> I'm not opposed to this (that would be a separate patch), but what's the
+>> advantage over ratpoison -c "getenv wspl"?
+>>=20
+>> Cheers,
+>>=20
+>> > From 708fa69f48f10dcbefc20633f553db660be47b24 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
+>> > From: Vasil Zlatanov <vasil.zlatanov@gmail.com>
+>> > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:08:15 +0100
+>> > Subject: [PATCH] Updated rpws to documents the "rpwsm$i" functionality=
+, made
+>> >  it's bindings more sane and added an option "current" which prints the
+>> >  current workspace.
+>> >
+>> > ---
+>> >  contrib/rpws | 18 ++++++++++++++----
+>> >  1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
+>> >
+>> > diff --git a/contrib/rpws b/contrib/rpws
+>> > index 49105c5..558fd1c 100755
+>> > --- a/contrib/rpws
+>> > +++ b/contrib/rpws
+>> > @@ -1,5 +1,10 @@
+>> >  #!/usr/bin/env perl
+>> >=20=20
+>> > +# Copyright (c) 2013 Vasil Zlatanov <vasil.zlatanov@gmail.com>
+>> > +# All rights reserved. Modifications under same license as original s=
+cript.
+>> > +# Changelog:
+>> > +# 	Updated manpage and hotkeys
+>> > +# 	Added argument current which outputs the current workspace.
+>> >  #
+>> >  # Copyright (c) 2009 Hatem Nassrat <hnassrat@gmail.com>
+>> >  # All rights reserved. Modifications under same license as original s=
+cript.
+>> > @@ -245,7 +250,7 @@ sub add_keys
+>> >          # Switch Workspace
+>> >          rp_call ( "definekey top M-F$i rpws$i" );
+>> >          # Move Window to wrokspace
+>> > -        rp_call ( "definekey top C-M-S-F$i rpwsm$i" );
+>> > +        rp_call ( "definekey top C-M-F$i rpwsm$i" );
+>> >      }
+>> >      rp_call ( "definekey top C-M-Right rpwsn" );
+>> >      rp_call ( "definekey top C-M-Left rpwsp" );
+>> > @@ -270,6 +275,9 @@ if( $arg eq "help" ) {
+>> >  } elsif( $arg eq "restore" ) {
+>> >      my $filename =3D shift @ARGV;
+>> >      ws_dumprestore($filename);
+>> > +} elsif ( $arg eq "current" ) {
+>> > +   my $cws =3D rp_call( "getenv wspl" );
+>> > +   print "$cws";
+>> >  } else {
+>> >     open LOCK, ">>$lockfile" or die "Cannot open lockfile: $lockfile";
+>> >     flock(LOCK, LOCK_EX);
+>> > @@ -287,10 +295,11 @@ rpws - Implements multiple workspaces in ratpois=
+on
+>> >   rpws init n [-k] [-a]  - setup rpws with n workspaces.
+>> >                              -a sets up command aliases;
+>> >                              -k sets up key bindings and aliases.
+>> > + rpws n                 - switch to this workspace
+>> >   rpws dump <fname>      - dumps the current layout to <fname>
+>> >   rpws restore <fname>   - restores rpws workspaces from <fname>
+>> > + rpws current           - print the number of the current workspace
+>> >   rpws help              - this documentation
+>> > - rpws n                 - switch to this workspace
+>> >=20=20
+>> >=20=20
+>> >  =3Dhead1 DESCRIPTION
+>> > @@ -306,14 +315,15 @@ Add the following line in ~/.ratpoisonrc
+>> >       exec /path/to/rpws init 6 -k
+>> >=20=20
+>> >  This creates 6 aliases rpws1, rpws2, etc. It also binds the keys M-F1,
+>> > -M-F2, etc to each rpwsN alias. Moreover, rpwsn (Next) and rpwsp (Prev=
+) are
+>> > +M-F2, etc to each rpwsN alias. Aliases rpwsm1, rpwsm2, etc, are used =
+to
+>> > +move the focused window to another workspace. Moreover, rpwsn (Next) =
+and rpwsp (Prev) are
+>> >  created, and C-M-{Right,Left} are bound to rpws{n,p}. Full list of ke=
+ybindings
+>> >  created are:
+>> >=20=20
+>> >      M-F$i           Goto workspace $i
+>> >      C-M-Right       Goto Next workspace
+>> >      C-M-Left        Goto Prev workspace
+>> > -    C-M-S-F$i       Move window to workspace $i
+>> > +    C-M-F$i         Move window to workspace $i
+>> >      C-M-greater     Move current window to next workspace
+>> >      C-M-less        Move current window to prev workspace
+>>=20
+>> --=20
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